Rabbit Hole of Research the Podcast

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Hello there, welcome to the Rabbit Hole of Research the Podcast. Our goal is to have fun learning science through the lens of science fiction and fantasy.

We are Jotham (Joe) Austin, II, a research scientist and author; Nick Elizalde, roaster of the coffee bean, entrepreneur and pop culture guru; and sometimes Georgia Geis (@atomic_number14), librarian, storyteller, and print maker. Episode Cover Art by Laina Joy !

So, What is this Rabbit Hole of Research Podcast?

It’s like playing a game of Telephone, where we will start in one place and let the conversation lead us down the winding scenic road exploring the science in science fiction, separating the facts from the Handwavium. We’ll have a little fun and you’ll learn a few facts you can use to impress your friends at a party or use as a conversation starter to go down your own rabbit holes.

It will not just be us rambling, fumbling and tumbling down the rabbit hole, but we will invite creators, thinkers and innovators on to talk about their research, creative process and join the lively conversation exploring the quirky science in fiction.

We know you have many choices of entertainment, so we will keep the episodes short, about the time it takes to drink a tasty beverage. So, please join us on this journey down the rabbit hole.

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Rabbit Hole of Research

Our goal is to have fun learning science through the lens of science fiction, fantasy, and pop-culture. We will start in one place and let the conversation lead us down the winding scenic road exploring the science in science fiction, separating the facts from the Handwavium. We’ll have a little fun and you’ll learn a few facts you can use to impress your friends at a party or use as a conversation starter to go down your own rabbit holes.

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In the 58th episode of Rabbit Hole of Research, Joe, Nick, and Georgia are joined by Lily (MIT Computational Cognitive Scientist and Writer) and Generoso (Illustrator and Film Critic)—the comics duo behind plasticgrapes—to explore where artificial intelligence meets human connection, and whether chatbots reveal more about machines or about ourselves.

The conversation starts with the fundamentals: what chatbots actually are under the hood. Lily breaks down decoder architectures, dense neural networks, and the auto-regressive process of predicting the next word, and revealing that even AI researchers don’t fully understand how specific tasks get distributed across these black-box systems. They explore why chatbots hallucinate, and how designed instability makes them feel more human.

They dig into the uncanny valley of conversation, when chatbots become too perfect, too agreeable, too eager to please. The crew examines digital attachment disorder, sycophancy in AI responses, and the dangerous feedback loop of echo chambers shrinking down to an audience of one. Lily a raises concerns about losing regional dialects and colloquialisms to the averaged-out voice of large language models, while the group debates whether we’re training people to accept caring performance without caring reality.

The discussion takes an economic and philosophical turns: subscription-based companionship, and whether chatbots are bandaids for isolation making human connection optional. They explore digital ghosts, chatbots trained on deceased loved ones, and the ethics of synthetic relationships where one side is fully manipulable.

Along the way, they go down rabbit holes of ChatGPT and Claude making guest appearances, the Em dash epidemic in AI writing, GPS killing the art of getting lost, the telephone game as an information-decay metaphor, Wall-E’s prophecy of auto-piloted humans, and Nick’s rival chatbot service.

Where to Find Lily (MIT Computational Cognitive Scientist, Writer) and Generoso (Illustrator, Film Critic)

Website and books:

https://linktr.ee/plasticgrapes

Lily and Generoso socials:

Instagram: @plasticgrapes

BlueSky: @plasticgrapes

Check out what the RHR crew is creating

Joe:

Red Line: Chicago Horror Stories Anthology featuring a new story by Joe!

Joe’s Sci-fi physiological thriller Novel: Will You Still Love Me If I Become Someone Else?

Joe’s Rom-Com Novella: Tomorrow May Be Too Late

Essay by Joe: From Beyond Press: Specific Knowledge: Jotham Austin, II, PhD on Transformations in Fiction

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We want to Hear From You (leave a comment):

1) Do you think chatbots make us lonelier, or do they fill a real need?

2) What’s your favorite AI movie or book?

3)Have you noticed yourself being too polite to a chatbot?

Drop your thoughts in the comments. We read them all, and your ideas often shape future episodes.

Events to Hang with the Crew:

Podcast Cross-Appearances

Joe on GoIndieNow: 21grams with Joe Compton

RHR Crew on This Podcast Will Change Your Life with Ben Tanzer (coming soon)

Events & Conventions:

Author palooza by New Book Joy at Imperial Oak Brewing in Brookfield IL (March 21st 1-5pm)

5th Annual Mai Fest – Blue Island, IL (May 9th 12-5pm)